The NEW SageSport 160

Good afternoon from the Sage boat shop,

As some of you know we have been working on a new project for the last six months or so. Some of this we have already publicized, but here it is from the beginning so far. We started out with a list of wants from Sal. Me being a long time boat geek looked through my personal files and came up with the Robb White designed sport boat. Sal also thought this would fit the bill, so I managed to track Robb’s family down and get a set of plans. If any of you are followers of Robb White you might know that of all his boats, the sport boat was the only design he ever wrote down. Those plans consisted of a couple pages of notes, a single page of hand drawn form lines, and some color copy’s of Polaroid pictures. Not to much to go on.

IMG_20171223_185431_989

This design goes back before Robb White though. He took inspiration from the wildly popular aluminum Grumman Sport boat of the 1950s. They were shorter, heavier, and very utilitarian. And long Before the Grumman’s there was a style of boat known as a Grand laker (still popular today). These were usually wood and canvas freight canoes from the Maine and U.P. areas. Never built to a single design, they suited the builder and user with different lenths, withs, and hull shapes. They were all based in canoe styles of the time, but broader and outboard ready. Many were used as guide boats to to take “Sports” into the back country to hunt and fish, or to move cargo. From this history Robb refined his design over the course of forty years. Being able to keep this process and history going by introducing modern materials and composite techniques sure makes this boat builder feel good.

539w

From all that, in the spare time from building the Sage sailboats, I put together the molds and modified the instruction to build a cedar strip version with more traditional methods. She came in at 16′ LOA with a 43″ beam and a bottom profile more like a touring SUP board. The very narrow cut water and hollow entry complimented the hulls dramatic tumble home in the rear. This prototype was a proof of concept to see if the boat could perform as well as we hoped, and something shiny to bring to shows before we had a production model.

As far as performance goes, we took her on a maiden voyage last fall at the high altitude Lake Dillon (9,017ft) just as winter stuck around for the season. The weather was not all we could have hopped for with 30+ mph winds, temps in the 40s, and 3 ft swells out in the open. Getting off the dock had a bit of pucker factor to it but the boat handled it better that I could have expected. At displacement speeds she handled the tall short spaced swells fine, and with out pounding at all. With plenty of stability and much less dread than when we started we motored along to the lee side of the lake. When the swells dropped by half we powered up the 6hp outboard and easily planed out onto the wave tops heading into even calmer waters. Once on the flat and glassy we were able to test performance. The SageSport160 tends to reach plane before hull speed, and with no bow wave to climb she just scoots forward onto plane around 4 mph (properly trimmed). Since we were still breaking in the new outboard we could only give about 1/2 throttle, but even that took us easily to 12-14 mph. Heading back to the dock gave us a diagonal following sea. While under power we had plenty of directional stability and she never tried to broach or pearl. Once the boat was back on the trailer it began to snow sideways and ended our testing for the season.

DSC02143

All in all we were happy enough with the performance to look at making a plug and molds for a production composite version. The building of the plug started quickly since I already had the original molds set up. I again used cedar strip for making the hull shape. This went faster since i did not have to leave a varnish ready surface. With the structure roughly faired, glassed, and reinforced with the now permanent molds, I added a flange for the final molding process. Next came multiple layers of gel kote with days of sanding and fairing in between each. When we finally had a smooth shape we liked, we sprayed one more coat with a harder “part” gelkote. This surface alone took two weeks of sanding and buffing to give us a mirror finish to the plug.

sanding

The amount of tumble home in the hull shape requires the boat to be molded in a two part mold. For this reason I made a temporary divider of the plug shape. Basically a mohawk down the center of the plug with plywood and gelkote. This allowed us to spay and lay up fiberglass for the first half of the hull shape, then remove the mohawk, and spray and lay up the second half of the mold directly to the first half. Once they both cured we were able to pop to two apart and off the plug very easily.

IMG_3256

The molds needed some fine polishing and surfacing before we made a part in them, but that only took a few days. During this final sanding we began to do some test layups with some of the new materials that we will be using in the SageSport160. Different weaves of carbon fiber, kevlar, and various core materials and thicknesses all need to be tested before we put them in a boat. The transom layup was especially tested to make sure it would stiffly support the 55lb 6hp outboard and all its thrust. On an 18″ panel with 12mm of core we achieved a deflection of less than 1/8″ at 225lbs of weight. Along with motor cheeks, this is plenty strong for the rated outboard size.

IMG_3274

Skipping ahead, we are now in the hull testing stage. We have made a lightweight hull with exotic fibers and one with more run of the mill fiberglass. These boats had standard non structural canoe style seats. In testing we found both to be more flexible than we would have liked in the overall hull shape and the tendency for the bottom to oilcan. Production versions will have a molded front and rear seat with greater contact area for stiffness. We will also be laying up and testing other versions soon with more and lighter weight core material to improve stiffness while keeping the overall weight low. The combination of more core and structural interior components will yield a stronger over all hull form that will preform better under power and still hit our cost and weight goals.

DSC02712DSC02757

The final design of the boat will include two longitudinal supports through the middle six feet of the boat at seat height. Attached to these we are going to install a pin rail system for modular accessories. Such as a cooler mount, sliding seat rowing adapter, fishing insert, or a third seat. We are definitely open to ideas about what these accessories could be. Please let us know if there are any accessories you would like to see available. There is even talk of a sailing kit down the road. While we are still testing and planing, we are hopeful that we will have production versions available by late spring.

for now it is back to the shop and more testing. stay tuned.

12 thoughts on “The NEW SageSport 160

  1. Beautiful job on the Robb White Sportboat. I purchased plans to build a few years ago because I really liked it but have not built yet. Your hull came out great. I love how smooth you got it. Wish I lived closer to your shop. I would have to consider getting one of your production hulls. I like wood, but I like the light weight of the composite hull better. Look forward to seeing more.

    Like

  2. gregtheboatbuilder says:

    Hello Dave,
    Once we are into production of the SS160 we will be able to ship them anywhere in the country. We are also looking into a dealer network for the boat so a retail location may be close to you anyway. What part of the country are you in? As a last effort, I attend shows on both coasts throughout the year and may be able to deliver you a boat. Thanks for the kind words

    Like

      • gregtheboatbuilder says:

        Dave- We Will be at the Annapolis boat show in October, not to far away. As for coast and weight goals, we are looking at making the boat in two levels, a more fiberglass less expensive version and a exotic materials based ultralite. The standard hull will come first and should weigh in around 80lbs. Cost for this is still being worked out but a basic boat should be around $2500ish. Don’t quote me on it as these are goals for the moment. The ultralite we are hoping to get around 50lbs but the cost would likely be double at least. With a single person in the boat a little extra weight in the hull helps handling. I have even gone out solo with a sand bag in the bow for ballast.

        Like

      • Greg – Ok. I would be interested in the fiberglass model and not the composite. Would it be a polyester resin layup or epoxy? I will keep an eye on your website and also that boat show in Annapolis. Looking forward to reading and seeing more as you make progress on hull design structure. Thanks.

        Like

      • gregtheboatbuilder says:

        Dave-all of our S15 and SS160 hulls are a vacuum infused vinylester resin. Stay tuned, we are still prototyping but not far away from a production lay up.

        Like

      • Dave says:

        Greg-Is there a slight curve to the transom and the lift at the last 12″ at the aft underside of the hull per Robb White`s design?

        Like

      • gregtheboatbuilder says:

        Dave- the transom on the SS160 is flat, In a composite hull there was little strength difference with adding a minor transom curve and it was an easier build without it. The Lift in the bottom of the hull is definitely there, Robb called it a “throwdown”, the aft 12″of the hull drop about about a 1/2″. While not common in boat design this “throwdown” acts like an integrated trim tab helping to force the bow down while under power. Hope that helps.

        Like

  3. Jim Gossman says:

    I think you’re onto something great…a sweet step up from sups and surf skis.., with those people more than willing to spend a few thousand $$, Good family starter too. I’ve just purchased a Saturn Kaboat, which is a less stylish inflatable with some similar uses. Damn thing planes with 2hp. I also have a hand sail which is nice. Regards, Goose

    Like

    • gregtheboatbuilder says:

      Perhaps. We are talking to Russell Brown about designing a trimaran kit for it. If it happens it would not be until next spring.

      Like

Leave a comment